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Post by catrinka on Jan 10, 2006 7:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by cynthia on Jan 10, 2006 7:23:10 GMT -5
For what it's worth, it's said that the latter stages of drowning induce a state of euphoria, so there seem to be many worse ways to go. Poor Barry.
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Post by catrinka on Jan 10, 2006 8:13:48 GMT -5
I didn't know that -- thanks for posting it. Honestly, I hope Barry was completely unconscious before it happened.
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Post by unclebob on Jan 10, 2006 8:21:56 GMT -5
I was worried about Barry's final monents of life. If what you says is true, It has put my mind at ease. We love you Barry, and always will.
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Post by ctcowsillfan on Jan 10, 2006 9:47:13 GMT -5
How AWFUL! Whatever the cause of death was, I hope and pray it was quick and that he didn't suffer  Lauren |
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Post by Sparkle on Jan 10, 2006 12:28:59 GMT -5
I pray he didn't suffer. It just breaks my heart thinking about him going that way.
God love him and welcome him into your kingdom.
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Post by lindy on Jan 10, 2006 18:16:30 GMT -5
Katrina hit New Orleans on August 29th...I understand from articles that Barry left a voicemail on Susan's answering machine on Sept 1st...that's 3 days after the storm and the levee breach, causing the flood. Plus, they thought they recognized him on the CNN video outside the Convention Center -- again, AFTER the flood. How could this happen? What happened to our Barry?
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Post by dshaw on Jan 10, 2006 18:48:36 GMT -5
exactly. how did he get to the chartres street wharf? what took him there? if he was face down in water how did that happen? i think it will depend on how much the family learns about the cause of death and how much they want to share with us. i wonder how much a young son and daughter can take hearing.
"the gentler we think, the gentler it goes."
peace
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Post by CareBear Caren on Jan 10, 2006 19:16:27 GMT -5
I'm afraid that we'll never know the full picture and details of what happened. Nor would most of us really want to know all the details. So many possibilities in the chaos that was New Orleans with water and more water.  Such unsafe horrible conditions for all the residents. I feel it's best we focus on our condolences and the gift that was Barry and his music. That's my way of coping though not everyone's. He's at peace - no matter how the Lord lifted him up - and the Cowsill family can truly start the long healing process. |
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Post by ctcowsillfan on Jan 10, 2006 19:47:04 GMT -5
Caren,
I would have to agree with you. We probably don't need to know many details. What purpose would it serve? We'll only upset ourselves more than we are upset to start with.
Let's concentrate on helping each other through this, as well as the Cowsill family, and also stop to remember the extremely talented musician Barry was.
Lauren
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Post by Someone who cares a lot on Jan 10, 2006 22:50:09 GMT -5
I know for fact Barry knew how to swim, actually VERY well... so just "drowning" is impossible for him... being practically certified in swimming!! So, something else must have caused him to drown.
I researched the area that he was found, and 1 1/2 blocks up from where his body was found, was a bar called " The Chart Room". It is known in town (especially locals) for "the cheapest drink in town". It truly is the cheapest place in town to get a drink. I also found out that this bar was one of the first to open, after Katrina hit. Anyone who knows Barry, knows that the number one place he would go, after this horrible situation, would be a bar.
My thought is: Possibley....it was so awful in that city, after Katrina hit, that after days of just fighting to live, he just said "Screw it.... I'm getting plastered!!" (BTW: In that situation....... I would have certainly done!!!) and gotten so drunk that he wandered down to the wharf, and fell asleep..... the tide comes up and takes him, and that's it!! Restfully, asleep, and on top of it all.... going out with a great buzz!!! That is how I want to picture this coroners report of "drowning". Just like Barry would have done it!!!!!
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Post by Pat on Jan 10, 2006 23:32:24 GMT -5
That is good research. I've been thinking about this since last week and can't help but wonder if there wasn't something "criminal" that happened to Barry.
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Post by ctcowsillfan on Jan 11, 2006 0:31:04 GMT -5
I HOPE NOT! That would make a bad situation even worse. So, let's not speculate on what MIGHT have happened until/unless we know something more definite.
Lauren
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Post by barb on Jan 11, 2006 1:52:24 GMT -5
I was worried about Barry's final monents of life. If what you says is true, It has put my mind at ease. We love you Barry, and always will. Is this the Uncle Bob that sang with Barry in Newport in 2000? If so, my deepest sympathies to you, sir. I could tell how much you loved him...and he you. As much as I'd like to know what happened to Barry at the last, I don't want to know or hear about it. I pray it was peaceful and gentle. We can speculate all day long what happened but we'll never know. All that time, though. Every day not knowing was an eternity. Now that we know some of what happened, every day is near tortuous thinking about it. It's too d**n hard. |
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Post by cynthia on Jan 11, 2006 3:51:25 GMT -5
I think Barry is likely to have been unconscious when he hit the water, or vice versa, either through illness or dehydration, or booze. I have only seen one article that said he drowned, and that may well have been an assumption simply because he was found in the water. Remember that much of the city remained under water for weeks and weeks, so he may have washed under the wharf long after he died.
But I think Barb is right, too much speculation could easily get lurid and will never lead to definitive answers.
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Post by shirl on Jan 11, 2006 4:43:32 GMT -5
I think we need to remember, when using the term, "drowned" that one does not necessarily need to be in the water into to drown. If he was hit by a surge wave and his lungs filled with water while standing, sitting or laying down on the wharf, for example, he drowned. I think we will find ourselves speculating that "there has to be something more here than meets the eye" which is natural when we have a hard time dealing with the death of anyone we care about.
As for the phone call, I don't know what to say. If you think about it, remember this, and i know this from first hand experience during Katrina, after the storm hit, phone service, including cell phone service was down for a very long time. There were no phones. Does that mean he placed the call to Susan on August 29th before the full brunt of Katrina hit? Who knows? At this stage of the game, does it matter...we've lost a very special person, and the family deserves to have closure and a start to heal. No matter what, he's not with us any longer, he was loved, he was talented, he will be missed, and we all grieve.
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Post by lindy on Jan 11, 2006 9:05:26 GMT -5
I apologize -- I truly didn't mean to start a thread of speculation, it's just the dates weren't adding up to me. I personally have lots of friends who lost homes, and loved ones, in that terrible storm and ensuing flood and it kills me to think of losing one more. I know we are all devastated by the circumstances surrounding Barry's disappearance and death but it's true that our loss pales in comparision to his family's loss. We will continue to remember them in our prayers and celebrate his impact on our lives in our own special way(s).
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Post by MOSSE on Jan 11, 2006 9:30:40 GMT -5
If I remember right, Barry said in those phone calls that he had ridden the hurricane out. That was over. It was the aftermath, and he wanted out. But I think the phone calls were somewhere in cyber limbo for a couple or three days before Susan actually received the messages. I know it's natural to speculate and wonder what on earth happened, I sure do... but I believe that's what they were saying about the calls.
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Post by shirl on Jan 11, 2006 15:01:11 GMT -5
I apologize -- I truly didn't mean to start a thread of speculation, it's just the dates weren't adding up to me. I personally have lots of friends who lost homes, and loved ones, in that terrible storm and ensuing flood and it kills me to think of losing one more. I know we are all devastated by the circumstances surrounding Barry's disappearance and death but it's true that our loss pales in comparision to his family's loss. We will continue to remember them in our prayers and celebrate his impact on our lives in our own special way(s). Lindy, You didn't "start a thread of speculation"...you were just like soooo many of us trying to come to terms with this nightmare. Anytime we lose a loved one we all have the stage of grief where we go, "what if, if only, shoulda, coulda, woulda"..it's natural, sweetie. For me personally, i used to work in a field where I had to investigate things pertaining to violent crimes, and I look at things with what seems a cold and distance observation at times but trust me, when I played "Ol Timeless" the other day, I was once again a 14 year old girl greiving the loss of the grooviest babe on the planet. Maybe someday this nightmare wont sting so badly. |
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Post by libbie on Jan 11, 2006 16:05:46 GMT -5
you know we may not ever really know what happened. There is one fact tho and that is Barry isn't with us anymore, but he is still in our hearts and thoughts and sometimes our dreams. He will always be with us. Sometimes I feel the police take the easy way out on some investigations, there is so much that happened in New Orleans were never going to know everything. So, I'm going to remember Barry's life and all the good things I can about him. And not dwell on what happened. Because I don't believe we'll ever really find out. I wish I had known him better.
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